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Old 08-07-2009, 01:58 PM
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I was in a no limit hold em rebuy tournament and I came to a situation I've never encountered before.It was less than a minute to the break which, as you may know, is the last chance for a rebuy. The starting chip stack was 1000 and I had 2000 chips. We're 5 handed at my table (6 max tables) and I look at down KT suited under the gun. Not an astounding hand, but I consider the situation and figure some aggression will steal the blinds for me. Blinds are 50/100, so I make it 300 to go. The small blind (who also happens to be a loose-semi aggressive chip leader) calls. We go heads up to the flop. Pot is at 850 (25 dollar antes). Flop comesQsJs4dBefore I can consider my move, the villain fires out a bet for 700, enough to put me under 1000 (which means even if the turn misses me, I can rebuy one more time before the break), so I call. The turn is a blank and he instantly puts me all in.At this point, one of three things can happen.A. I call and get lucky on the river, putting me at about 5000 chips right before the break, after which I can pay $3 and get 1500 more chips.B. I call and miss the river. I double rebuy ($6) for 2000 chips and get the add on ($3) for a total of 3500 chips.C. I fold with about 800 chips, get one rebuy ($3) and one add-on ($3) for 3300 chips.In that scenario, what is the most logically sound move and why?incidentally, i'm sure the SB wasn't bluffing. He was loose, but not a bully and not a bluffer.big head:I agree with the push in a normal situation (cash game, maybe freezeout tournament). However, I was considering"If I just call and miss, I can still fold and rebuy."Not sure whether that's a good strategy or not, but that was my thinking at the time.Good point about how many rebuys I'm willing. In that particular tournament, I gave myself a maximum of 3 rebuys (including the one I make right at the very beginning of the tourney) and 1 add on. At that point i had only made 1 rebuy.In hindsight, I guess it was either a push or a fold right on the flop. Since I had the money (I had about $140 in event cash at my disposal), that wasn't an issue, and going all in on the flop makes more sense now. It was just confusing as I generally don't play rebuys, and I almost never find myself in an all-in situation near the break.


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Old 08-07-2009, 02:06 PM
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call, win the hand and spend less money and have more chips. seems like the easy answer is A.


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Old 08-07-2009, 02:52 PM
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Well at first glance at this, I picked A. I will try to explain my answer, but keep in mind it's 7:15 AM here and I have not been to bed yet.Ok, so for starters you are pretty much pot committed to A by the turn. 300 +300 +100 chips in pre-f + 25*5 (antes) = 825. So if you have 2k to start you now have 1675. Now the only thing I would've done differently happens post flop. If you're going to flat call, knowing you're still calling on the turn, you should re-raise your opponent here. But anyway, back to the point at hand. You flat call so pot is 825 + 700 + 700 = 2225 and you now have 975 chips. So you are basically getting like 2.4 to 1 on your money. Justifiable call, but I still like the push approach better.Btw, since you said your hand was suited, and I'm assuming it was not K10 of spades, since that would be a no brainer, and assuming the turn does not put a flush draw out there you've got a 26% chance to win the pot or so.Keep in mind that your K or even possibly your 10 may still be live depending on your opponents hand, unless of course he holds AA, KK 2p or a set.It helps also, to have a predetermined amount of units that you are willing to spend on R/A tourneys. A lot of players get carried away in the donkfest that is the first stage and often find themselves at a disadvantage when trying to keep a +ROI in the long run..02


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Old 08-07-2009, 02:54 PM
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you're playing a rebuy tournament and you know that you're going to rebuy if you go bust so this is an easy call imo as played...first of all, an ace or 9 is pretty much a lock for you, and there's a decent chance that a king would win the pot as well, which means you are almost getting the right price even if it wasn't a rebuy tourney, and the fact that you can rebuy is even more incentive to call...if you're willing to go ahead and do the double rebuy and addon as a result of going broke then there's no decision here really, but if that's something you don't want to do, then maybe folding is the best option, since it will save you some real moneyin reality, if you were willing to go broke with this hand, you should have just moved in on the flop...it's unlikely he's led into you on the flop with a very strong hand, and you aren't a big underdog against many possible hands, so the best play here would have been to just shove on the flop if you were going to call an all-in on the turn anyway


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